tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post2004829995674240844..comments2023-07-03T06:26:43.219-07:00Comments on Gynocentrism Theory: Anatomy of a Victim IdeologyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-64400483766799871362011-02-16T02:36:27.075-08:002011-02-16T02:36:27.075-08:00We are in part responsable, because We buy the t-s...<i>We are in part responsable, because We buy the t-shirt saying to throw rock at boys. But, We don't made them. And the greatest misandrous things I have seen was from males.</i><br /><br />I won't dispute that (certain) men are responsible for aiding and enabling misandry. The person who created the T-shirts you refer to is, indeed, a man - I believe his name is Todd Goldman.<br /><br />But, put it this way: if hatred against men and boys did not <i>already</i> exist, would Todd have been able to sell his T-shirts?<br /><br />Can you imagine anybody selling T-shirts saying "blacks are stupid ... throw rocks at them" today? I can't. But what if T-shirts were in vogue in the early 20th century Deep South? I'm sure those T-shirts would be sold by the truckload. The hatred needs to already exist for the product to be saleable.<br /><br />And that's why I say that (certain) women generate misandry, while (certain) men are its enablers. Todd Goldman and men like him capitalize on female hatred against the male sex. Todd does not <i>create</i> the hatred. If the hatred was not there, nobody would buy the T-shirts; everyone would be repulsed by the very idea.<br /><br />"The enabler is money, We are controling most of the spending of each household. The proof of that is in the number of store dedicated to us in any mall."<br /><br />This is partially true. Money is surely the motivator for Todd Goldman and men like him - as I said above, they capitalize on female hatred of the male sex. Essentially, they sell out their own sex to make a quick buck. I won't deny that men like this are misandrists, but I think striking at the root is a more effective strategy, and in this day and age, that means attacking feminists.<br /><br />"This was clear for Me. It's unfortunately not every MRA. I sawed, many who are in misogyny and hate."<br /><br />Yes. I find it unfortunate that many MRAs use inflammatory language which turns off potential supporters. On the other hand, I understand exactly why they do it, and wouldn't want to take away their rights to express themselves however they please. They are venting, because for years (decades for most), they have had no place to express their dissatisfaction with feminism and Gynocentrism. They now have that place, very suddenly, and having bottled up rage for most of their lives, they are for the first time given the opportunity to blow off some steam. Predictably, the bottle erupts all over the place. There is some serious anger, and it is emanating from good men: a sure indicator that times are going to change.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-39691097119800977072011-02-16T02:36:11.171-08:002011-02-16T02:36:11.171-08:00What I mean by superior biological value is that t...<i>What I mean by superior biological value is that to perpetuate our species (like every mamals)the bottle neck is the number of Women. This is why every culture are ready to give up males' lifes to protect us from danger. You will agree on that fact.</i><br /><br />I will not agree on that point of view. I see this biological essentialism as a gloss on traditional female privilege. For one thing, you're only talking about a narrow band of women - namely, those who are young and fertile. Am I to believe that those beyond their most fertile years (i.e. older than 25) are recognized as having no greater value than the average man? Of course not: women remain privileged, regardless of their age and fertility. Reproduction really has nothing to do with it.<br /><br />Moreover, any society with a deficit of men will not survive very long. It is men who design, create, build and maintain the infrastructure of society. Insofar as women give birth to the next generation, men give birth to civilization itself. Remove men from the equation, and we return to some primitivist state of nature.<br /><br />Now, as a corollary of rooting out Gynocentrism, this latter historical fact will be forced to change as well: women will have to contribute to the building and maintaining of society, or they will be forced out - which is the deal men have always been handed.<br /><br />So, you see, I'm very set against all notions of biological essentialism - <i>historically</i> it may be the case that women were valued more for reproductive reasons, while the onus was on men to build, maintain and defend society. That does not have to be the future, and if feminists were really honest with themselves, they would admit that such an idea, egalitarian as it is, scares the living daylights out of them.<br /><br /><i>I agree with you, many Women are concerned, I'm myself concerned by this misandous climate. Otherwise why the hell I was here?</i><br /><br />Yeah - my comment wasn't attacking you personally. You said that women are indifferent to the plight of men and boys, I responded that I know this to not be the case, but I did not mean to suggest that <i>you</i> are indifferent.<br /><br /><i>Firts,I saw some contradiction here with what you said before «I also disagree that women are indifferent to the plight of men and boys» We can't be for and against it in same time.</i><br /><br />It's simple. Some women are not indifferent to the plight of men and boys. Other women are indifferent. And still other women are the generators of misandry. I do not view a social entity so heterogeneous and amorphous as 'women' to be one solid bloc. Within 'women', we find individuals who are inevitably going to fundamentally disagree with each other on basic principles. There is no contradiction to say that misandry is in the first instance generated by (certain) women, and that there are (certain other) women who oppose misandry.<br /><br />Just like men, really.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-89903756452536717632011-02-15T19:49:10.912-08:002011-02-15T19:49:10.912-08:00Adam,
«I do not believe that evolution grants wom...Adam,<br /><br />«I do not believe that evolution grants women superior biological value and status.»<br />What I mean by superior biological value is that to perpetuate our species (like every mamals)the bottle neck is the number of Women. This is why every culture are ready to give up males' lifes to protect us from danger. You will agree on that fact.<br /><br />«I also disagree that women are indifferent to the plight of men and boys - I know, and have talked to, plenty of women who are deeply concerned about misandry.»<br />May be the misunderstanding come of my limited english. I agree with you, many Women are concerned, I'm myself concerned by this misandous climate. Otherwise why the hell I was here?<br /><br />«However, I do believe that the climate of misandry is created - exclusively - by women.»<br /><br />On that I can only disagree.<br /><br />Firts,I saw some contradiction here with what you said before «I also disagree that women are indifferent to the plight of men and boys» We can't be for and against it in same time.<br /><br />We are in part responsable, because We buy the t-shirt saying to throw rock at boys. But, We don't made them. And the greatest misandrous things I have seen was from males.<br /><br /><br />«Certain powerful men are the enablers, but they did not create the hatred.»<br /><br />The enabler is money, We are controling most of the spending of each household. The proof of that is in the number of store dedicated to us in any mall.<br /><br />They want the money, they try to seduce us. They do itthe same way the males telling Me how stupid males are. Unfortunately, We are buying in that because We saw this as fun. And they push more of it the next round.<br /><br />«When attacking feminism, I do not attack women.»<br />This was clear for Me. It's unfortunately not every MRA. I sawed, many who are in misogyny and hate.Juliehttp://juliesuprematie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-49247425079440743942011-02-12T08:38:39.768-08:002011-02-12T08:38:39.768-08:00Julie,
I did not believe that Gynocentrism is a b...Julie,<br /><br />I did not believe that Gynocentrism is a biological predisposition. I do not believe that evolution grants women superior biological value and status. I do not believe men are created to "serve" women, or that this situation is inescapable. What you describe is not a symbiotic relationship, but a parasitic one. And it is one I believe is socially constructed. It's an enduring relationship, for sure! But you know what they say, rules are made to be broken.<br /><br />I also disagree that women are indifferent to the plight of men and boys - I know, and have talked to, plenty of women who are deeply concerned about misandry.<br /><br />What you have described is a set of Gynocentric myths. I am sorry to see that you have bought into them. Perhaps you believe that Gynocentrism is an inherent human trait because it helps you feel secure in your privileged position - if it is inherent, it cannot be taken away.<br /><br />You are correct that there are a number of men advocating for the lunacy of radical feminism. When attacking feminism, I do not attack women. I attack feminists, whether they be men or women.<br /><br />However, I do believe that the climate of misandry is created - exclusively - by women. Certain powerful men are the enablers, but they did not create the hatred.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-246951896143345742011-02-08T22:21:52.363-08:002011-02-08T22:21:52.363-08:00Hello,
NB: My english is not perfect so I can be ...Hello,<br /><br />NB: My english is not perfect so I can be hard in what I say, no subtilities, but don't see bad intention.<br /><br />I readed all your lectures, very interresting. And also many others blog with great interrest. I can't agree with misogynistic views, but I agree that you have it very bad now in western world. And that can't continue no longer.<br /><br />Gynocentrism, I think, is in good part based on human biological instinct. In other word it's here to stay. For the good and for the bad. Evolution have gived us superior biological value and status. Nature have created you with a purposes of "serving" us (providing, protection, etc.). You can't escape this, no more than us. But balance is needed, We are different but in a symbiotic relationship.<br /><br />You said the feminist project is increasing the power of Women. No problem there for me until this power is on our own life but this is not what they ask for.<br /><br />I agree that they (the radical feminist) want political Female Supremacy in a way or another. They are not numerous but influent.<br /><br />This influence is increased by the fact that, we Women collectively "lack care" (a kind of indifference) about you collectively. I mean as a gender. We say notting and let them go. May be because of an instinctive gynocentrism, may be because we beleave that you are strong and don't need it or we have learned to beleave that. I don't know.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I think you have a bigger problem than those radical Women. The much more numerous males advocating and acting for this lunacy. Some of those men are prime minister, governor, president, judge, representative, etc. And they vote laws, policies and rules. Some of those males have kinky fantasm about Female Supremacy. Some have money and career in it. Some are just the kind of male ready to say yes to anything a Woman ask...<br /><br />The general unvisible climate of misandry. (I discovered his existance with stupefaction after reading about it.) Is in part created by the same males. Like the t-shirt saying to throw rock at boys... Created by males for profit! <br /><br />Because of my life-style, I know this kind of males, they are excessive, deeply anti-male, they beg me telling me how males are stupid, worthless and blah blah blah... Dreaming of Female led totalitarian regime...Juliehttp://juliesuprematie.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-50291732336614894012011-02-06T15:32:12.251-08:002011-02-06T15:32:12.251-08:00The following Wikipedia page defining 'Narcisa...The following Wikipedia page defining 'Narcisasistic Rage & Narcissistic Injury' provides insight into the psychological roots of indignation expressed by all those who become angered at the lack of adherence to, or infringments of the gynocentric program:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injuryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-40059757418098369752011-02-06T04:12:24.189-08:002011-02-06T04:12:24.189-08:00Apologies for the few repetitive remarks, am rushi...Apologies for the few repetitive remarks, am rushing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-19573196648398332932011-02-06T04:07:11.896-08:002011-02-06T04:07:11.896-08:00Indeed NPD fits the profile of many feminist women...Indeed NPD fits the profile of many feminist women. However I think we can take this further than saying individual feminists may exemplify NPD. <br /><br />Most well-known theorists, from many different schools of psychology, agree that individual disorders detailed in the DSMs can and often do show as collective pathologies. On the basis of that idea my proposition is that gynocentrism, as you have termed the long history of special treatment of women (and women's concomittant expectations of this entitlement), is *psychologically* driven by the universal human drive to narcissism, in this instance in extremis. In order for women to accept the socially sanctioned gynocentric role it must dovetail with a matching libidinous drive, and I cannot think of a more perfect match than the narcissistic drive. Can you? <br /><br />If this is so then we need to name it and remove the mystification surrounding why this myth is so attractive for women to align with. What is the operant pleasure principle? <br /><br />Narcissistic gratification.<br /><br />There are numerous forms of narcissism, all the way from supposedly 'healthy' infantile narcissism which is supposed to cease in early childhood lest it become interpersonally 'pathological'; through to 'gender narcissism' which involves a pathological love for one's own gender; through to Narcissistic Personality Disorder -the extremely pathological variant at detailed in the post above. After surveying each of these forms of Nism one could conclude that feminists, and all women actively living the gynocentric myth, are displaying psychological traits of all three forms of narcissism, in various mixtures; infantile, gender, and personality disorder versions.<br /><br />However one wishes to break down the various shades of narcissism, the list of traits of NPD from the DSM is broadly useful for getting inside the head of the gynocentric woman's head.<br /><br />But what about males? If males are not living the narcissistic urge, then what is thier drive, what the drive? That takes us into other conversation, but a starting point may be to research 'Inverse Narcissism' which is described as the drive to live one's own narcisstic aspirations by cultivating it in another..... males indulge the narcissistic urge by proxy, in the shape of women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-20869963722620785022011-02-05T08:27:45.195-08:002011-02-05T08:27:45.195-08:00Anonymous,
Oh my! The DSM-IV's criteria for N...Anonymous,<br /><br />Oh my! The DSM-IV's criteria for NPD fits feminist women <i>to a tee!</i><br /><br />Fear not; the psychological basis for Gynocentrism is coming. I'm going to run a good few rings around <i>that</i> old chestnut tree!<br /><br />Thankyou for bringing to my attention NPD's glove-like fit to the feminist hand ... it's tagged for inclusion!Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-90960092500148935562011-02-05T00:04:55.290-08:002011-02-05T00:04:55.290-08:00All the essays in this lecture series are an intel...All the essays in this lecture series are an intellectual treat. <br /><br />Might I make one small suggestion; as well as elaborating your Gynocentrism theory, might it not be profitable to do an essay on narcissism? Narcissism (actually gender narcissism) is clearly the libidinous force driving gynocentrism.... if its not, then what else?<br /><br />A look at Narcissistic Personality Disorder in the DSM-4 gives a simply delicious criteria for an elaboration Gynocentrism theory:<br /><br /> 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)<br /> 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love<br /> 3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)<br /> 4. Requires excessive admiration<br /> 5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations<br /> 6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends<br /> 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others<br /> 8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her<br /> 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes<br /><br /><br />Without mention of the narcissistic drive gynocentrism theory comes across as needlessly mysterious regarding it's psychological basis. Sociological analysis gives only part of the picture. <br /><br />Gynocentrism is saturated with examples of narcissism; all the princesses, pampering and entitlements you have been mentioning.<br /><br />FWIWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-79860973293717314382011-02-03T09:49:29.513-08:002011-02-03T09:49:29.513-08:00Congratulations on a real masterpiece of a blog. M...Congratulations on a real masterpiece of a blog. Much needed.<br />Will recommend to everyone I know. Keep up the good work!Ernest Chatham MSWhttp://screwwhitefeminists.proboards.com/index.cginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-71929284707489273222011-01-31T13:21:52.195-08:002011-01-31T13:21:52.195-08:00Fidelbogen,
Some people seem to think we are the ...Fidelbogen,<br /><br />Some people seem to think we are the same person. Even Angry Harry harbors suspicions!<br /><br />Paul,<br /><br />I'll look into setting up an RSS feed.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-8822615012971347772011-01-31T13:09:46.403-08:002011-01-31T13:09:46.403-08:00"Hi fidelbogen Nice blog keep up the good wor...<i>"Hi fidelbogen Nice blog keep up the good work I am anti-feminist Pro-male Women can kiss my ass "</i><br /><br />Anon, a man's mind is his castle. That goes without saying. So if you feel that "women can kiss your ass", well, you're entitled to your opinion. It's no skin off my nose.<br /><br />But I should make clear that "anti-feminism" is NOT the same as "anti-WOMANISM". <br /><br />That is a feminist word trick used to silence anybody who might speak out against feminism.<br /><br />So...we need to <i>reclaim</i> the word anti-feminist, and reinforce the correct meaning of "opposed to feminism".<br /><br />But when you say "women can kiss my ass", in the same breath that you say "anti-feminist", you are giving fuel to the feminists and reinforcing their semantics.<br /><br />Anyway, I myself would never make a statement like "women can kiss my ass". The reason is, that I have not met every woman on earth -- not even close!<br /><br />So I wait until I meet any particular woman, and decide case-by-case whether that individual should "kiss my ass" or not. But I don't decide this ahead of time about a person I have never met. I give women, as a group, the benefit of the doubt.<br /><br />However, i WILL say that <i>feminists can kiss my ass.</i><br /><br />And yes. . <b>that includes the ones I haven't met.</b><br /><br />Thanks. I felt that I needed to clear this up.<br /><br />By the way, you are right that I am Fidelbogen, but to set the record straight, this here is not my blog. <br /><br />My blog is counterfem.blogspot.comFidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-38912372407091633372011-01-31T10:22:57.215-08:002011-01-31T10:22:57.215-08:00"How come this does not show up as a "Li..."How come this does not show up as a "Links to this post"?"<br /><br />I'm not really sure. I know that a number of other sites have also linked to my posts, but the links only sometimes show up.<br /><br />I'll add you to the 'blogroll'.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-77458640463456587152011-01-31T08:52:00.892-08:002011-01-31T08:52:00.892-08:00I wrote an article about your lecture series.
Gyn...I wrote an article about your lecture series. <br /><a href="http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/gynocentrism-chivalry-not-patriarchism" rel="nofollow">Gynocentrism (male chivalry) was the norm, not Patriarchism</a><br /><br />How come this does not show up as a "Links to this post"?<br /><br />My blog was not meant as a men's rights blog, but ended up focussing a lot on them.<br /><br />In case you want to link, you might want to link directly to the men's rights section<br /><br /><a href="http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism" rel="nofollow">Men's rights at Human Stupidity</a><br /><br />Good luck with your work. Maybe you want to provide them also as downloadable pdf files, and later join them together to form a book.Human-Stupidity.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01415167814446085472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-60542389665365151102011-01-31T05:52:27.832-08:002011-01-31T05:52:27.832-08:00Hi fidelbogen Nice blog keep up the good work I am...Hi fidelbogen Nice blog keep up the good work I am anti-feminist Pro-male Women can kiss my assAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-56491148814642691412011-01-31T00:38:20.647-08:002011-01-31T00:38:20.647-08:00Anyway to set up RSS Feed to your blog? I just in...Anyway to set up RSS Feed to your blog? I just included you in the links section, but an RSS would increase your visibility.<br /><br />You are doing a fantastic job, Adam.Paul Elamhttp://www.avoiceformen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-18680301910061617682011-01-30T18:45:16.408-08:002011-01-30T18:45:16.408-08:00@AdamK:
I have not yet put up my customary "...@AdamK:<br /><br />I have not yet put up my customary "pointer post" to your latest lecture. Oh what a guilty slug am I. . I must go straight about that, smartly! ;)Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-91675928791546939702011-01-30T03:44:13.039-08:002011-01-30T03:44:13.039-08:00All right, I've added a 'contents' to ...All right, I've added a 'contents' to the bar on the right hand side. There's now easily accessible links to each lecture.Adam Kostakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04265675667926239289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-41227393694063174242011-01-29T14:08:50.482-08:002011-01-29T14:08:50.482-08:00By the way, your blog is not very well organized. ...By the way, your blog is not very well organized. Or I am too stupid. <br /><br />I had a hard time finding your prior lectures. I only found them as you mentioned there were lectures 1, 2, 3, .....Human-Stupidity.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01415167814446085472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6345026973557617275.post-57436047296629788812011-01-29T13:32:28.163-08:002011-01-29T13:32:28.163-08:00Great set of articles. Should be a mandatory cours...Great set of articles. Should be a mandatory course in womens studies. I will post about them.<br /><br />I am worried, though, that you have this on blogspot. If they want to close you down, they can. I think you should get your own domain and have backups at home. gynocentrism.com, gynotheory.com, whatever.<br /><br />I would love you to come over the the <a href="http://human-stupidity.com" rel="nofollow"> Human Stupidity blog</a> and comment. I have many different topics, so please pick the ones that coincide with your interest.Human-Stupidity.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01415167814446085472noreply@blogger.com